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logogogue

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About logogogue

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    I am the Mod Squad
  • Birthday December 31

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  • Gender
    Male
  • Country
    United States
  • Location
    Montana
  • Drums
    Mapex
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    Donated 2012
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Current kit Specs

  • Current Kit Specs
    Drums: Wooden and metal ones.
    Cymbals: Mostly the round kind. Mostly metal.
    Sticks: Wood.

What I Like

  • Favorite Drummer
    Gavin Harrison, Terreon Gully, Gerald Heyward.
  • Favorite Drum Brand
    Mapex and Tama.
  • Favorite Drum Sticks
    Gerald Heyward and Stanton Moore.
  • Favorite Drum Heads
    Remo.
  • Favorite Bass drum heads
    Powestroke 3.
  • Favorite Snare
    Too many to list.
  • Favorite Cymbals
    The nice sounding one's.
  • Favorite Hardware
    That one's I can afford.
  • Favorite BD Pedal
    The one that doesn't squeak.
  • Single or Double bass
    If it works, I am down.
  • Traditional or Matched grip
    Whatever works.
  1. Welcome! What kind of she’ll do you have? What are you looking to do?
  2. Drum sound. Let's look at shells.

    My gap is his ideal of a good drum sound. After watching his Vid’s I get the impression a good drum sound is loosely one that has a tone; since he mimics the tone or pitch and is satisfied with it and calls it a good drum sound. Sound is relative. He may not care of the nuances because he states that all that is lost in the noise of drums anyway. So probably a good strong fundamental tone is what he’s after. Of course this is just based off his video comments. I havent been able to get him to define it despite my best efforts. But maybe a video blog is in the process?
  3. KBRAKES - Stop the Creep!

    So you should make and sell em for whatever you think is fair and help your fellow drummers out! You are the DIY guy! But if your cost is 15, if you are going to make money on it and make it a business, you will need to sell it for 21 bucks or so. But it needs to look like a well constructed and thought out product. If it looks too DIY, you won't have too many people buying it and have no sustainability. So most likely you will have to spend money and time prototyping and then have the injection molding done... ooops, better add another a couple of thousand just to get that going. Of course, you will need some packaging printed and made. Ooooops, better add more money to that. don't forget your favorite topic of marketing and budget for that. Oh and all the money you have invested, you are going to have recoup those costs. Guess you are probably going to have to charge 40 bucks. It's not easy or cheap to make things on a production scale. While I am sure making each part isn't that expensive - if he has the volume - but I am sure it cost a decent amount of money to get to that point. I deal with manufacturing and it costs a lot of money to start up and get to production. Everyone dreams of economy of scale and I am sure the cost could go down if D'Addario were making the product or if the company could sell tens of thousands of it. But the reality is, he probably won't so has to price accordingly to some pricing model that will make the guy money to recoup his initial investment and then make a couple of bucks. Just a thought but I am sure you considered of all of this before making your comment. What would be awesome is if you would make a video about that. Flex your DYI muscles as it were and give drummers ideas on how to save some cash and make something cool for themselves. While a lot of folks like the factory made parts I am sure there are many that are lookin for good drum hacks too!
  4. 9 questions to get to know you better

    Funky J! Welcome and thanks for posting 411 about you. Funky Cold Medina. Yeaaaaah. Australia eh? My coz lives somewhere there from Japan. I hope to go visit her some point soon so I can check off Australia on my visit list. Hopefully soon. You have examples of your graphic design? I don’t design but I love studying it.
  5. [APRIL 2016 KOTM] 12 Piece 1982 Tama Superstar kit!

    Very Nice as usual Glen. Saw this originally on the Tama FB forum...
  6. That's funny man. I don't know why you are staring at your board so much but why not? I would totally get it if you had back up dancers and such behind you and you needed to keep an eye on things like, you know, that they are dancing in tempo...
  7. Working on my design, vinyl, printer cutter skills.

    Right on. You can disrupt Drumart now!
  8. My new drum solo

    Cool. You have a nice team behind you too! Is that your room? Pretty cool setup.
  9. My Work (Covers and my Band)

    welcome Bill! Nice grooving! Thanks for sharing your vids and giving us some intel on who you are. I like that you aren't afraid to hold time. I hope you keep posting and be an active member on the board. Is the studio space in your house or are you at a rehearsal space?
  10. For those who are going to get a first gig

    Nice video. Nice production value. Great content. Mistakes are a great point. People are afraid to make mistakes. Victor Wooten brought up a great point. Athletes train to deal with mistakes. Basketball players don't expect to make every basket but they work on rebounds as example. Musicians don't necessarily do that and freak out for a moment. It is was awesome as Victor was playing the wrong note but was playing it in such a groovy manner, people were still bopping their heads. We are the rhythm section, not the notes section.
  11. Drum sound. Let's look at shells.

    Within the first minute and half I have issues. Marketing hype... again, who cares? Marketing has evolved man. Back when you were "a kid", marketing was very different and techniques were different. People's expectations were also very different and I will say it, naive. (not a bad thing necessarily.) What we didn't know, we didn't know. Marketers didn't have the research of psychology and emotion to precisely deliver messages to specific channels. The term omnichannel marketing wasn't even a thing until 5 years ago. Does that make it any less relevant because it wasn't introduced when you were a kid? Of course not. In fact, it is the reality of the market today and is extremely important to understand it and harness it. Science and technology was different too - in respect to having more understanding of shell composition and construction. Does that make it less true? Absolutely not. But now builders and manufacturers can speak with more authority because there is more technology available to them to speak on a molecular level if they want to. How they apply this knowledge and marry it to the marketing copy is a variable but it doesn't automatically make it less true - although I agree, tends to be a bit on the extreme. I appreciate the fact of your point that a "super high end" will not necessarily sound better than a "cheaper one." Let's say mid level quality. I think that is very relevant . But arguing that shell composition doesn't matter is wrong and your ears need more training. That's all there it is to it. This has nothing to do with hype. It is a reality. I think you need to define to yourself and viewers, what a good drum sound is. Yes, a bucket, a steel wheel, or a pringles can with a drum head can sound like a "drum." But what does that mean? Just because it sounds like a drum, doesn't mean it is a good sound. And while good is a relative term, in the context of drum shells, it is important. Character, tone, sound, whatever you want is complex and while the head has a lot of influence, it is not the deciding factor. As I stated before a plastic pail with a drum head and snares - still sounds like a plastic snare drum. Is it a "drum sound" as you loosely state it? Yes. But I would not be interested in playing it except for a specific sound that I am after. A wood drum does not sound like a Plastic pail... ever. So your argument is flawed . Let's use roto toms as a great example of a drum head doing a lot of the work... no shell but metal spokes. I have never heard a roto tom that doesn't sound like a roto tom. Have you? It is a very distinctive sound that no one would ever mistake for anything other than a roto tom. So what does that mean? As you commented in the video and I don't know who that is aimed at, but I certainly am not saying you are a liar or anything like that., you have very good points on certain things - up to a point. Bearing edges - To be honest, I don't know to what degree edge shells have in the totality of sound. Your points on collar design and how it mates to the shell is all over the place with manufacturers for sure so there are a lot of variables that I don't have time to evaluate. So I will just say it was interesting perspective. Ultimately, your point of "it sounds like a drum" is the issue. I agree with Speedy, this is just a convoluted discussion on your crankiness of marketing strategy today. Which again, is a valid argument but should just be a topic of discussion by itself. The Gretsch sound is the marketing and they are saying that it is the "signature" sound you want. So while more subtle, you are just being hooked in to the marketing hype of a different kind. Marketing. It is genius and you are as influenced by it just like everyone else, just affected by it differently. Lol. I also agree with truth in advertising and that is also a great point. Thanks for posting the video.
  12. Drum sound. Let's look at shells.

    I enjoyed the video! A great studio with a great engineer can pick up a lot of sound. This really highlighted the attributes of each type of wood. The contrast between maple and birch is pretty much what I remember hearing when I was deciding between the Artstar II or Granstar. I just preferred the sound of the Birch. The brighter tone but also the pronounced bottom is what sold me and still prefer birch today.
  13. Drum sound. Let's look at shells.

    There seems to continually be a mixing of topics which I'd like to set clear. Drum shell materials - yes it matters. Does exotic or hybrid matter? Hard to say. But a Walnut shell v a maple shell is different. If you can't hear the difference, that's a bummer. Hype - Whatever. Who cares what the mfg'ers put out there? They have a job to sell their products. It's true, like a trumpet or a violin or a clarinet, technology is a modest evolution at best, and far and few between. No one argues that. This has nothing to do with sound. If your perceptions are colored because you don't like the marketing, that's fine but has nothing to do with sound. Ford video - Again, there are differences and why you can't hear it is beyond me. Is it major? No. Some toms do sound pretty similar to others but some clearly have different characteristics. The acrylic sounds terrible and is the most contrasting for sure. How foolish? I don't know, wasn't there pages and pages of arguments stating that drum mfg will claim a lot of BS? Why would this be any different? And to my ears, it isn't. He's making a stupid point that contradicts himself with what I hear. A note is a note. And it seems to me that's what the focus is. But a drum can and will have fundamentally different sonic characteristics depending on the type of wood. Recording - it's true a card box can be made to sound like drums. So what? A bass guitar can sound like an organ. You keep insisting that drums can't be recorded cleanly and all the nuances are lost. That's just not the case. I have spent too much time studying audio technology and spent a lot of time in studios to know this is just flat out wrong. Of course recording technique is what you make of it and want to get out of it as an artist. If you want to get a clean drum sound, you can. If you want to make a cardbox sound like a taiko drum, it is possible to do that with copious amount of processing. But the issue here is, processing. A box can sound remarkably cool but there is an artificial sound quality that is introduced because the sound is being synthesized and distorted to sound like something else. That's why when people care about sounds, they will still use a proper taiko drum because the signal they are getting is purer and is easier to work with as a baseline. Whether they choose to enhance the sound further is a choice but won't become a cartoon parody of itself because the sound will require only a little bit of processing. Think auto-tune for vocals. Yes, you can make someone sound pretty damn good with processing but if you don't have to spend a bunch of time tweaking, I guarantee it, the engineer would much prefer that. Same things with recording drums. Again, Diehard, I am not picking on your points per se, as there are a lot of great points you bring up and I agree with a bunch of them - up to a point. But let's not mix subject matter when talking about drum sounds. Hype is hype. Mfg can claim whatever they want. Drum building is not an evolving - or I should say, hasn't had any major revolutionary changes - craft. All this has nothing to do with the point, a "drum is a drum."
  14. Drum sound. Let's look at shells.

    I was thinking about instruments... woodwind instruments. I used to play the trumpet and started with a Bundy like most beginners. Eventually I graduated to a Schilke. Based on the threads above, one could presume that the mouthpiece is what makes the sound. But that's far from the truth. The schilke sounds so much more beautiful even in the hands of a hack like me. Why? Violins, as I mentioned, can sound shrill and annoying but when constructed correctly with quality woods, the sound is beautiful, even when its played by an amateur. I agree and understand that hardware will dampen a drum shell. Also the tension of the heads - coupled with the type of hoop - will add stress to the shell and potentially dampen the shell. When I was renovating my Tama Granstar shells and removed the mylar covering, I did the tone test and took note of each tom I had refinished. I proceeded to add the lugs on and tried again. It was a bit of a challenge because the tension screws on the lugs rattled about but sure enough, it did mute the sound and lowered the pitch. I added the top head and found that the shell did take on the pitch of the head somewhat... lending creedence to DIY's point about heads having a big impact on sound. But I still heard the tone of the shell coming through. So what I suppose is, forgetting about hybrids and exotics, the more resonant a shell is before slapping on heavy metal, the more likely the tone of the shell will come through. Tuning the drum at a tension that isn't too tight will allow the shell to breathe more. So I suppose that DW's point is that if you know the note of the shell, you can tune the drum to itself and allowing for more resonance, thereby allowing the note of the shell to come through. Regarding the discussion of hype or not, I don't know what to say. The landscape of marketing has changed dramatically. We are in an era of over the top everything and so marketers have to adapt to current trends. That's all there is to it. If that bugs you, get over it or move to a place where you can't get on the internet or have access to media. I can understand the whole notion of truth in advertising but that's mostly gone... it's about how to skirt the line as much as possible. Regarding hybrid and exotic shells... whatever floats your boat. I have a sexy as hell waterfall bubinga DW snare that is at the end of the day, just a maple shell. But I don't care, it's gorgeous to look at and it sounds nice too. Exotic nice sound? Nope. Exotic nice price tag? Yep. The Saturn shell is hybrid and it sounds great to my ears and was reasonably priced so, win - win. If you can afford to get a Craviotto kit, more power to you. Is it worth close to the 10K price tag? My pal at Maxwell's Drum shop thought so and got a walnut kit. (I would hope he got a discount since he is an employee...) He's around a lot of gorgeous high end kits and thought that the Craviotto sounded superior enough to purchase. If I had 10k, which meant nothing to me, I'd probably get one too just to have. I do have a Craviotto limited snare though. It is divine and unique sounding. Yes, very different from all the other snares I own. Yes, i could get the same note as my other snares but it sounds different.
  15. Drum sound. Let's look at shells.

    I have a pearl snare with a carbon ply on the inside. Not sure what sound the carbon ply imparts to be honest but I love the sound. It’s really dry with a funky overtone that works.
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